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SiocnarF

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« on: June 07, 2009, 12:12:30 PM »

Besides the official information on PRMIA’s web site, I was unsuccessfully looking for some comprehensive feedback of the study process for the PRM exam. Therefore I decided to write down here my own experience regarding this certification.

Note that this does only reflect my personal opinion at a given time (the syllabus may evolve). Other people may disagree or have different views and I therefore shall in no way be responsible for any disagreement or misinterpretation of the opinion expressed below.


Exam I
This may be qualified as the "nuts and bolts" for anyone who has a degree in economics + a few years of practice in risk management. This exam may however turn out to be the heaviest part of the whole syllabus for some candidates that do not have the appropriate background. Time is not an issue during the exam (2 hours for 36 questions).

KESDEE's sample exams:
They seemed to me in rather good line with the real exam and therefore quite helpful. The real exam turned out imo to be closer to the study material itself than KESDEE’s sample exams.

Required study time:
Highly dependent on your background. I’d say it ranges from (as a percentage of the total study time for the PRM certification)
  • 15% if you have a university degree in economics + at least 3 years professional experience in risk-management,
  • 25% if you have a university degree in economics without the relevant professional experience in risk-management,
  • 45% if you do not have a degree in economics but at least 3 years professional experience in risk-management,
  • 55% if you neither have a degree in economics nor relevant professional experience in risk-management.

Exam I may therefore turn out to be the really big part of the PRM exam for many people that are new to the field (e.g. people with a purely quantitative background).


Exam II
This may be qualified as the "nuts and bolts" for anyone who has a degree in physics or mathematics. The book itself is very concise and clearly written, but maybe some further reading may be required to the less quantitative literate candidates to pass the exam. Time is not an issue during the exam (2 hours for 24 questions).

KESDEE's sample exams:
KESDEE's sample exams are imo way more quantitative than the questions in the PRM exam itself. Nevertheless, you still (most likely) will be asked in the exam to carry out some basic integral, derivation, matrix multiplication and inversion, determinant, eigenvalues and eigenvectors, etc calculations.

Required study time:
Again, highly dependent on your background:
  • <10% if you have a master in physics or mathematics; in this case the exam itself is a real joke,
  • 20% if you do not have a quantitative background but some basic actuarial skills,
  • 30% if you come from a totally different field (e.g. laws).

Anyway, most of the mathematical stuff for this exam could still be considered as high-school grade material (at least in Europe).


Exam III
This is the core of the syllabus in the sense that you capitalize on the knowledge of exams I and II. The book is extremely clearly written. You should go through it at least two times.
The way the material is written is rather quantitative oriented which will make the reading process easier for people with the appropriate background or professional experience.
Time is not an issue during the exam (1.5 hour for 36 questions).

KESDEE's sample exams:
I found KESDEE’s exams in rather good line with the textbook. Some questions were about specific numbers, the kind of questions I didn’t encounter in the real exam. The real exam turned out to be way less quantitative than I expected, asking many questions that seemed to require a very good ease with the study material. The kind of ease you mostly get from a professional experience in the field or by being familiar with a much broader set of knowledge.

Required study time:
Maybe a tad less sensitive to your background than for the previous exams:
  • 20% of the total time if you already have some professional practice in the field,
  • 30% of the total time if you are new to the field but have some quantitative background,
  • 40% of the total time if you are new to the field and do not feel comfortable with quantitative oriented textbooks.


Exam IV
Read the study material a few times (at least two times) to get the whole picture. It seems not required to learn by heart all dates and numbers, neither to know the exact timeline. All in all this is a rather easy exam.
Be sure not to overlook the PRMIA bylaws. It seems not required know all details, however ask yourself what are the meaningful points to be known - these will most likely be asked in the exam.
Time is not an issue during the exam (1 hour for 24 questions).

KESDEE's sample exams:
The database for this exam seemed to be rather small and you’ll probably quickly get the same questions over and over.

Required study time:
About 10% of the total time, and depending of your background (if you’re already in the field for many years) this may go as low as 5% since the case studies would then most likely be already known to you.


KESDEE's sample exams
All in all they proved to be a quite useful tool. However, unlike CFA for example where you have plenty of questions (e.g. Schweser study material) that sometimes overlap questions in the real exam, this is not the case for KESDEE’s sample questions (at least from what I experienced). I do not remember having had a single question in the real exam that looked like one I had in KESDEE’s exams. Moreover:
  • Be sure to take the first KESDEE exam after you have gone through the whole study material and once you feel having reached a good understanding of the material. Indeed, KESDEE’s database contains only a limited amount of questions and you’ll come across more and more known questions as you take more sample exams. Therefore since apparently KESDEE’s exam questions do not really overlap with the questions in the real exam only your first KESDEE exam is really meaningful for the purpose of evaluating your score.
  • KESDEE’s sample questions sometimes do not exactly match the content of the study material. On the other hand, the real exam seems to be closer to the study material but there may be some tricky questions. All in all, it turns out to be a rather good point that KESDEE’s exams do not always exactly match the study material. This will indeed test your overall knowledge and culture of the field, which is a highly valuable knowledge to answer the more tricky questions of the real exam.
  • KESDEE’s sample questions sometimes ask about very specific dates, numbers, etc (either you remember them and get it right, or you don’t…). I do not remember having had anything like that in the real exams, where questions seemed on average to be more thoughtful.


Required study material
All in all the PRMIA’s official readings (PRM Handbook + free Exam IV readings material + study guide) combined with KESDEE’s exams seem to be a comprehensive and sufficient set to go through the certification. The readings are sometimes quite dense and "googling" a bit helps building up the surrounding necessary "cloud of knowledge".


Comparison of the PRM and CFA study processes
I will not compare the contents of the exam here, which doesn't make sense granted that PRM and CFA do have different targets.
Furthermore, if you want to compare PRM with its direct competitor FRM (which I didn't take anyway) there's plenty of stuff on the web you can look for.
Just a few words here about my thoughts on of the learning process (not the contents) of CFA and PRM.

I'd say that CFA was like to "learn to pass the exam" and spend a considerable amount of time on getting the required speed and automatisms in order to go through it within the given timeframe. For the PRM I had to "learn the material and then pass an exam". Time is not an issue in the PRM exams. Moreover since you can take the PRM exam at any business day at your convenience it allows you to tune your level of understanding without having to be under the constant pressure of the approaching deadline. This may be good unless you have a strong tendency for procrastination. All in all these points turned out to make the learning process of the PRM quite enjoyable by comparison to the CFA learning process, since I had the feeling to spend a bigger fraction of my time on improving my knowledge rather than on getting the tricks to pass the exam.

Finally, there may be a quite noticeable difference regarding the learning material pedagogical approach:
  • CFA material is closer to the "American" way of teaching I had experienced: you get an enormous amount of examples, exercises, books, etc, of which a significant part may be skipped depending on your background. Everything you need or may need is given, independently of your background. In that sense the exams seemed to me to be more academic and closely focused on the study material.
  • On the other hand, the PRM study material is much more concise and closer to the "European" way of teaching: the readings are very dense with fewer examples and every paragraph is important; you may not skip anything – it may however sometimes prove to be useful to undertake additional researches depending on your background. The exams themselves turned out to be a bit different in their "philosophy" in the sense that the PRM exams seemed to me to be in closer line with a "professional" exam. Indeed, quite often the answers had to be built not only upon the study material knowledge but required some additional ways of thinking that may be inherited mostly from professional experience.
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2009, 05:41:47 PM »

Hi SiocnarF

Thanks for your summary of the PRM . I just have a question on exam III, which I'm taking next week. Do you know how much emphasis is placed on the technical details of the Basle II accord? For example, specific risk weightings, credit conversion factors etc. etc. I have the kesdee material, like you, and it seems as if there's a lot of detail in there, but not so much in the PRM Handbook.

Many thanks
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2009, 10:16:24 AM »

Quoting the "Exam III" part of my first post:

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Some questions were about specific numbers, the kind of questions I didn’t encounter in the real exam.

So in spite of the emphasis you can find about this in the Kesdee sample exams I didn't have any question about these technical details like the exact weightnings or conversion factors. I would however still make an effort to try to remember the most common factors and the main differences between the factors of the different approaches.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2009, 10:43:44 AM »

Thanks. Are the questions self-contained or do you get a question which first lays out a situation, then asks a several questions on that situation? Also, was there any emphasis on the details of the credit risk models e.g. Creditmetrics, CreditRisk +?
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2009, 10:54:21 AM »

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Are the questions self-contained or do you get a question which first lays out a situation, then asks a several questions on that situation?

Self-contained.

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Also, was there any emphasis on the details of the credit risk models e.g. Creditmetrics, CreditRisk +?

It depends on what you mean by "details". A very thorough understanding of the hypothesis of all these models is clearly required. This is typically the kind of matter where imo the questions required a very good ease that could hardly be inherited from the PRM handbook only.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2009, 11:12:18 AM »

OK. Re the credit risk models, would you say that a combination of the Kesdee material & the handbook was sufficient for this area?
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2009, 11:56:49 AM »

I can't give a definite answer since it will mostly depend on the background of each candidate. It seemed required to have a very good ease with this topic that imo required either to have an extremely thorough reading of this part of the handbook in order to discover by yourself some facts that were not directly explained in the handbook or to go for some further reading. If you don't already have some expertise in this field I would say that a good advice (however not a mandatory one) is to go for some further reading (Googling a bit would be sufficient).
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2010, 07:00:46 PM »

Siocnarf, can I quote you? I am the PRM Exam manager at PRMIA.
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2010, 10:20:22 PM »

Dear David,
Of course, feel free to quote anything you need. Do not hesitate to send a PM if more info would be beneficial.
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 11:01:10 PM »

Hi SiocnarF,
This is a candidate of PRM who will take the exam at Feb, 26. I read your experiencing about preparing for the PRM and view it considerably helpful. During my preparation, there is some problem about EXAM 4, the case study section. I don't know how to prepare for them exactly. It seems that mere reading of the materials is not enough and I wanna know what kind of questions will they ask in the real exam. What's more, about the EXAM I, I have practiced the KESDEE's sample exams and feel it is ok to me but when I refered to the sample questions in the study guide of PRMIA, I found they are different from the KESDEE's ones. So I don't know whether it will be enough for me to use KESDEE's sample exams as a practice. Thank you for your time and attention.
Yang Cao
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 10:14:38 AM »

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It seems that mere reading of the materials is not enough
I think that for this exam this is enough. Just read over each case study a few times to be sure you understand the whole picture and to have the feeling you know what really happened there. If you feel you don't understand enough just try googling a bit for some further reading. This is in fact a rather pleasant learning part of the exam so don't tear your hair out about it.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2010, 01:07:22 AM »

Is this the "standard" risk management certification? Kind of the CFA for financial analysts?
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2010, 07:49:16 AM »

Hi SiocnarF

Thanks for sharing this amazing and helpful textbook information about PRM,

But i did not get the examples about "nuts and bolts".
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2010, 08:35:11 AM »

This just means the first most straightforward and basic pratical acpects of something.
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2010, 02:44:42 PM »

For exam IV a 'mere reading' of the material under the 'web based study material' on PRMIA's website is enough.  www.riskprep.com has some sample questions on the PRM exams.
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